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Post Speaking of SSDs
Ok so i been dragging my feet on ssd and hw upgrades in general because i been quite occupied for months.
So Im ready to reinstall windows and install an ssd. I have done very little reading up on them,yes way behind the times, so any input is appreciated. Such as ,other than the OS, how should i spread the wealth so to speak as far as my games,and programs such as Origin,Steam etc between the ssd and hdd? Should i just use the hdd for pics, videos,word files etc? of course depending on the size of the ssd.
What should i look for in an ssd and what should i avoid?


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Post Re: Speaking of SSDs
All depends what size SSD you go for...

512GB or 1TB, then obviously the need for a HDD is pretty minimal. 256GB is probably the smallest I'd suggest, anything smaller and performance drops off rapidly.

HDD should be used for data storage - pictures, videos, documents, etc. Those will show no benefits on a SSD.

Games you play frequently, I'd put on the SSD. I don't find games benefit a ton from SSD's anyways, but alas, all my games are on a 1TB SSD ;)

Like any hardware, read reviews. Generally speaking, the Samsung 850 PRO/EVO would be a solid choice. The Crucial M550 is decent too. The Sandisk Extreme models are good.

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Post Re: Speaking of SSDs
get on the bandwagon old man.

SSDs today are all pretty much more refined than when they first came out a couple years ago. there used to be steps and procedures that you had to do to ensure the longevity of the SSD. but now most models will work just fine and won't have any practical longevity issues that'll negatively affect you. They've pretty much ironed out most of the controller issues and enhanced the write cycles. pretty much long story short, you just have to get one and install a fresh copy of windows 7 and above, that's all and don't worry about the rest.

if you really want to know the details, there is a write cycle limit, or the amount of times a cell can be written before it dies. but the past few years, they've improved so much that, even if you write to your SSD 50GB a day, it'll still take you 10 years to approach the manufacture safety end of life, which is still a conservative estimate. there're tests being conducted right now by folks at XtremeSystems that most modern day SSDs continue to function as it should way beyond their safety end of life estimate. the speed of which the SSD will die, in another word sooner or later, depends on how much data is written to the cell on average, and how often the data is written to the same cells.

if there is one tip you should be aware of, is try not to fill your SSD all the way up to its fullest. if you can, always try to leave some spare space. 25% free space is plenty enough. the reason being, the less free space you have left, the more often the left over cells will be written and re-written over and over. there're hardware features built into almost all modern SSDs now that'll spread the writing cycles across different blocks of cells to reduce the effect of writing and re-writing to the same cells over and over. but still, having more free space will always give the SSD the chance to avoid constantly writing to the same cells.

but then again, that's if you're very anal and OCD. even in worst case scenario, say my HTPC at home, which has a 256GB Crucial SSD. and there's a LOT going on with that machine. it's the center hub of everything in my house from TV, to Blu-ray, to Netflix, and DVR. the cells are being written to that rig more often than any other rigs in my house. but even with that heavy use, it'll still take 5+ years for it to approach the safety end of life, which i know won't be the end. it'll likely go on for much longer. i was worried before, but after i saw the test done by Xtreme Systems. the average end of life is about 200TB written, but pretty much all of the test units they have have gone way beyond that, some reaching 500TB. so by the time the 5 year mark comes, i'll be upgrading to another SSD.

as far as what to get. i PERSONALLY like Crucial and Intel. there's no debate that Intel has been the most reliable and trusted SSD. Crucial is a close second, mainly because both brand share the same micron NAND chips, and use the same MLC, and controller.

i have three Crucial M4 at home. one 256GB for the HTPC, one 512GB for the gaming rig, and another 256GB for my work laptop.

and try to buy the biggest size SSD you can afford. bigger the size, longer the SSD life will be, and faster the speed.

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Post Re: Speaking of SSDs
Intel SSD's are becoming more and more iffy. Their current 730 series has poor performance in anything under the 480GB model. Reviews also stated they had power loss protection, due to the capacitors inside the drive, but the production models do not have this feature. Personally, I don't think they warrant the extra money they charge.

I think Samsung is probably the "best" currently. They make their own NAND and controller.

I do nothing to maintain my SSD's, and my entire house is running on them. I have 12 in-use at the moment, no failures thus far. The only ones I've had fail were really old "first-gen" models (OCZ Onyx, Petrol, Vertex) and a slightly more current Corsair Neutron GTX. I RMA'd the Vertex and Neutron GTX, both are still working today but not really in use.

My list:
Samsung 850 Pro
2x Samsung 840 EVO
2x Mushkin Chronos
3x Intel DC S3500
Crucial M500
OCZ RevoDrive3 X2
Samsung OEM (came with laptop, moved to another laptop)
OCZ Vertex (not in use)
OCZ Vertex 3 (not in use)
Corsair Neutron GTX

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Post Re: Speaking of SSDs
well. if we wanna pick problems.. by that standard, Samsung's recent reporting of their SSD line slowing down after a certain age has starting to pop up among the users. i was googling for SSD degrade the other day and came up a bunch of samsung 830/840 user reporting their performance degrade tremendously over time.

Crucial's M4 line also had the infamous ticking clock problem, but was fixed after a firmware update.

do your own research old man, and pick one that fits your budget.

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Post Re: Speaking of SSDs
Yeah, Samsung released a firmware fix for 840 EVO's that I'm aware of and applied to both of my drives.

I don't think there's any "perfect" SSD. They're all a mixed bag... it just depends how well the manufacturer backs their product.

OCZ/Toshiba is starting to look pretty good lately, but they have to shake their bad image from the days before Toshiba bought OCZ.

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Post Re: Speaking of SSDs
BAM! wrote:
do your own research old man, and pick one that fits your budget.

Old? :shifty: Besides i dont have budget. They cause stress.
That's why I depend on you guys skilled and solicited expertise so i don't have to.
Thanks for the advice. ;)


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Post Re: Speaking of SSDs
well.. if i were to buy another SSD today to supplement my system, i would go with a 500GB Cricual MX200 or BX100.

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Samsung 850 Pro 1TB would be my choice. Pretty much the fastest SATA SSD out there currently. Crucial M550 1TB would be my 2nd choice.

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Post Re: Speaking of SSDs
Busy? You're retired, how can you be busy? Even from the early days SSDs have improved a ton. Check out my fall upgrade going from the first gen ssds to the current ones. viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1468

Now, let me go research the M4's ticking bomb thingy BAM is talking about. Got one in my brother's machine.

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Post Re: Speaking of SSDs
dog2525 wrote:
Busy? You're retired, how can you be busy? Even from the early days SSDs have improved a ton. Check out my fall upgrade going from the first gen ssds to the current ones. viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1468

Now, let me go research the M4's ticking bomb thingy BAM is talking about. Got one in my brother's machine.


here:
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Changes made in version 0002 (m4 can be updated to revision 0309 directly from either revision 0001, 0002, or 0009)
Correct a condition where an incorrect response to a SMART counter will cause the m4 drive to become unresponsive after 5184 hours of Power-on time. The drive will recover after a power cycle, however, this failure will repeat once per hour after reaching this point. The condition will allow the end user to successfully update firmware, and poses no risk to user or system data stored on the drive.
This firmware update is STRONGLY RECOMMENDED for drives in the field. Although the failure mode due to the SMART Power On Hours counter poses no risk to saved user data, the failure mode can become repetitive, and pose a nuisance to the end user. If the end user has not yet observed this failure mode, this update is required to prevent it from happening. If you are using a SAS Expander please do not download this Firmware. As soon as we have a Firmware Update that will work in these applications we will release it.


pretty much anything 0009 or prior has that issue. anything after 0009 should be fine. my first M4 256 was shipped with 0009 version, so i had to update.

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dog2525 wrote:
Busy? You're retired, how can you be busy? .

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/\ Lolz

So what did you end up buying?

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