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As expected there aren't many available in stores yet... It remains to be seen if it would be an immediate, if any, threat to Intel's Sandy Bridge. But there should be a thread with useful links so here goes. Some of them may be in Dutch or other languages, I will put these in the lower paragraph, they are there for the numbers.

English written reviews
game comparisons:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/10/ ... e_review/1
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4353/ ... ndex1.html

full reviews:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1741/1/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the- ... 50-tested/
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/di ... -8150.html
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-81 ... or-review/
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/fx-8150-z ... 32295.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/ha ... eview.html
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_ ... u_review/1
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2 ... 0-review/1

Video reviews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOVJnszQvnU

Non-english written reviews
http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/2382/33 ... -conclusie


If you find any interesting links or good comparisons I will add them by editing this post.

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Here's another

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/ha ... eview.html

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The disappointment train continues to chug along over at AMD. The only bright spot I saw was in Anandtech's review where it showed Windows 8 performance was much better than Windows 7.

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The disappointment train continues to chug along over at AMD. The only bright spot I saw was in Anandtech's review where it showed Windows 8 performance was much better than Windows 7.

Interesting, blame the performance issues on the OS....

You think they would of created some sort of driver or worked with MS to correct this in Windows 7, it seems pointless to develop your hardware for a developer build OS.

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Let's put this new processor into a prospective light that all of us can understand. From the beginning, AMD has been playing Intel tit for tat. They (AMD) have had their ups and downs, especially when it comes to the tit for tat ( who's on top of the market share). Bulldozer was expected to compete with Intel's i5 2500 in terms of price and performance, yet the flagship FX-8150 is a full eight-core proc while the i5 is a quad core. Does that mean the eight-core should perform better? Logic has us saying yes, but from the reviews, it doesn't look all that promising. I know, there is a big difference between four cores and eight cores, but when AMD put all the marbles in the bag on new architecture; AND was expected to take away from Intel's commanding market share, you'd think the performance numbers would have been bigger. Let's face it, AMD will never beat Intel in a mano e mano faceoff when in comes to their respective flagship processors. Not gonna happen. But once again, with the price per performance ratio, AMD wins big once again. Who is going to argue with 8-core performance for under $250? With decent air cooling, the FX-8120 hits a very nice 4.2GHz ~ 4.4GHz or better. Add a nice water-cooling kit, and that Bulldozer proc can top out at 5GHz.

I say we give AMD a chance and not rule them out completely. I sort of remember that most everyone in here had an AMD system once or twice, and some still use them in some form or another. I build AMD systems for many customers strictly because of the price to performance ratio. I know AMD is on the right track, they just haven't yet come out with the prodigal Intel killer yet. Maybe, someday, maybe ... :think:

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The only thing here is that they lost the performance to price ratio...
Sandy Bridge is equivalent in price and for the most part, out performs.

Only thing they have going for them now is multi-core performance, but lets face it, how many things fully utilize 8-cores? And Intel's LGA2011/X79 platform is due next month which will likely dominate further.

And further thinking about the whole Windows 8 vs Windows 7 thing Anandtech is saying (likely AMD PR) is a moot point. I'm guessing if you ran the same benchmarks on a SB system and compared, you'd see similar gains. Windows 8 is far more optimized and handles multi-cores a lot better.

So I don't think they deserve much chance... it sucks down more power, costs the same, and offers less bang for buck. I don't see any reason to buy BD over SB currently. Perhaps Piledriver's revision for next year will fix things up, but AMD is only estimating a 10-15% core performance increase which seems rather lacking.

However, this means LGA2011 is going to have stupidly high pricing just because they can as there is no competition. The way I see it, I'll be sticking with my X58/920 for another year. Guess it's for the better anyways ;)

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Price for performance. That's it in a nutshell. That's the only place they are the clear winner. However, Intel on occassion can gives us the same. I bought my 2600K for $279. Who am I to complain?


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Price for performance. That's it in a nutshell. That's the only place they are the clear winner. However, Intel on occassion can gives us the same. I bought my 2600K for $279. Who am I to complain?

Exactly my point. The 2600K is $20 more? And gives you so much more...

Likewise, the 2500K is less, and still gives you more.

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I said that the comparison to Intel was that it was competing against an i5 2500. Not an i7 2600K. Granted that an i7 2600K is still around (retail) $315.00, the i5 2500 is being sold for $209.99 (NewEgg) and the i5 2500K (unlocked) is only ten dollars more at $219.99. Now from what I've read, the FX-8150 is selling for $279.99 on NewEgg, but they are already out of stock. So maybe the bang for buck ratio isn't what I thought it to be. But then again, I think that AMD should have concentrated on making their quad-core processors better than bringing out an octo-core that quite doesn't compare to Intel's best mid-range processor.

I haven't even built an i5 or i7 rig yet, but maybe I should. Then compare it to say one of the Black Edition Phenom II X4 (965 Deneb processors @ 3.4GHz) that I've built for many of my customers. That would be a nice test I suppose ... :think:

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Yeah, you need to get on SB. You'll see why I praise it so ;)

My i5 2500K + P67 in my server has been flawless. ASUS' UEFI is amazing too. I even have the multiplier cranked up to 44 so it runs at 4.4GHz during "turbo" mode.

Even for "budget" builds, you can get the i3 2100 + H61/H67 board for pretty cheap. Definitely competitive with AMD pricing.

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You think the performance really declined? This article is worse than all the rest

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At these settings, the system is idling at around 195W, but when running the aforementioned Prime95 stress test, it pulls an immense 550W from the socket. If we also add a fully loaded GeForce GTX 460 1GB to the mix, that number spikes up to almost 800W. Obviously, no one runs a CPU and GPU stress tests at the same time, but this does illustrate what the worst case scenario could be when it comes to power consumption.


SAY WHAT!?

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I don't want to get into any flame wars or such, but since I'm a moderator on Hardware Canucks, I get to speak to the reviewers as well and see behind the curtain. They are much more objective and don't fluff reviews with any of the PR from manufacturers. They say it how it is.

As for power consumption, if you look at the graph (http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/ha ... ew-19.html), 447W is with a fully loaded CPU and fully loaded GTX460. 210W for just the loaded CPU, and 72W idle. And well since these are designed for OC'ing, those power figures will only increase, especially if you disable the power-saving functions. I'm guessing when they wrote the 195W/550W it was either OC'd, or the power saving features disabled.

Anyways, since you're planning to buy one, you can confirm/deny what is true in all of the reviews.

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That's what I like about you JD. Non-objective and always with the facts. It's refreshing to see when emotions try to steer the topic away from its intended course, you're there to grab the helm and put it back on track. Good job! :handgestures-thumbup:

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jdrom wrote:
And further thinking about the whole Windows 8 vs Windows 7 thing Anandtech is saying (likely AMD PR) is a moot point. I'm guessing if you ran the same benchmarks on a SB system and compared, you'd see similar gains. Windows 8 is far more optimized and handles multi-cores a lot better.


While Windows 8 will handle threads better and offer better performance for both AMD and Intel, all things are not equal. AMD's hybrid cores are foreign to Windows 7, while at the same time Windows knows the difference between a physical core and a hyperthreaded core.
Windows does not know which threads to assign to which cores to optimize performance on Bulldozer. To put things in perspective, what if Intel just launched hyperthreading on Sandy Bridge and you went to run Super Pi and it ran that single threaded benchmark on a hyperthreaded core? Performance would be horrid. The true performance of Bulldozer won't be known until we have a fully functional Windows 8 platform.

Throwing the ball back in AMD's court, they've been working on Bulldozer for 3 years. At some point they should have worked with Microsoft for a driver and/or patch for Windows 7 so workloads were correctly prioritized.

The race between AMD and Intel on the number of cores in a processor is getting to be as useful as the the frequency you can pump out of a Prescott P4. AMD offers great price/performance on their 6 core processors, but 8 is getting to be a bit much for a desktop workload.

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I am also guessing, and if I'm wrong, someone please correct me ... will the AMD 8-core processor, once it's fully integrated within a Win7 environment, (ala patch/driver/etc ...) ENHANCE the desktop for games? I know that there aren't many games out there that would need eight cores, but isn't that something we've been waiting for? Games that will utilize the many cores of a processor? Scalability is what I thought multi-core processors were for, utilizing the power where and when its needed. Seems overkill at some point as I believe there just aren't many FPS games that require more than one core. :think:

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Games still rely on high IPC and few cores. You are much better off with an overclocked Intel quad than even Bulldozer at the same speed.

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I am also guessing, and if I'm wrong, someone please correct me ... will the AMD 8-core processor, once it's fully integrated within a Win7 environment, (ala patch/driver/etc ...) ENHANCE the desktop for games? I know that there aren't many games out there that would need eight cores, but isn't that something we've been waiting for? Games that will utilize the many cores of a processor? Scalability is what I thought multi-core processors were for, utilizing the power where and when its needed. Seems overkill at some point as I believe there just aren't many FPS games that require more than one core. :think:

Let's not even get into the poor state the PC-gaming industry is in...

Until we stop developing for consoles and porting to PC, I don't think PC games will ever fully utilize 8-cores, let alone AMD's different way to "cores" as well compared to Intel. Intel/NVIDIA invest a lot more money into developers which is why they are typically the performance leaders. AMD needs to re-think their business strategies and try to get more developers onboard with their hardware designs. Likewise, it seems they didn't even consult with Microsoft to get Windows 7 to support their hardware properly. Why make a CPU that only truly works on an OS that isn't due for another year or more...

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jdrom wrote:
I don't want to get into any flame wars or such, but since I'm a moderator on Hardware Canucks, I get to speak to the reviewers as well and see behind the curtain. They are much more objective and don't fluff reviews with any of the PR from manufacturers. They say it how it is.

Anyways, since you're planning to buy one, you can confirm/deny what is true in all of the reviews.


Fear not, I take your words for it. I planned to buy one right on release, I didn't mind if it wouldn't be an Intel crusher. I just ordered a lot of things because I could get them cheaper, but it would take more time. I would have had a cheap X4 in the meantime should the release be postponed further. And even if they don't perform right now, I hope I will gradually get to use more of it's potential in the next 3 years. Unlike most seem to have here, I do not have a steady income after all. It will depend on the software development and improvements after tweaking.

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Interesting insight from an ex-AMD engineer as to why Bulldozer is a dud:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/displa ... iasco.html

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Interesting...hopefully it's not the truth but it seems reasonable I suppose.

Hopefully AMD will rethink that strategy and hand-craft the next revision (Piledriver?).

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