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bust out your 3d glasses :D

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Dammit, I went there hoping they screwed up and didn't know what they were talking about and now we would finally have 3D cpu's. Seems like the only advantage here is power consumption, which would benefit GPU's far more than CPU's. I also wonder what the cost would be of making 3D transistors compared to the 2D ones.

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i would think not only power consumption, i guess depends on how you look at it. it's like car engines, the more efficient it becomes, you can either convert that technology into efficiency, or boost power, or both.

i would say that will allow for more efficient and more powerful CPUs in the near future.

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BAM! wrote:
i would say that will allow for more efficient and more powerful CPUs in the near future.


Efficient yes, but power, that's going to depend on several things. Like for example, what is the heat tolerance for these transistors, are they more likely to fail, etc. For all we know these things could store heat better than the 2D ones, at which point we'll lose power.

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either way i'll find out wayyyy after it becomes mainstream. i won't be able to do any major upgrades any time soon.

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BAM! wrote:
either way i'll find out wayyyy after it becomes mainstream. i won't be able to do any major upgrades any time soon.

Not jumping on the 22nm bandwagon? I quite likely will, but on LGA2011. I know 22nm chips for LGA1155 should be due Q4 2011 or Q1 2012, but I'd rather not step-down from LGA1366 to LGA1155. Way less bandwidth for PCIe lanes and what not.

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naw..

it's called responsibility. life has just expanded on me, for the better :D

none the less, i can always count on you guys to test out these new hardware for me. i am gonna ride out my 4 year old C2D Q6600 @3.7ghz until the wheels fall off :lol:

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jdrom wrote:
BAM! wrote:
either way i'll find out wayyyy after it becomes mainstream. i won't be able to do any major upgrades any time soon.

Not jumping on the 22nm bandwagon? I quite likely will, but on LGA2011. I know 22nm chips for LGA1155 should be due Q4 2011 or Q1 2012, but I'd rather not step-down from LGA1366 to LGA1155. Way less bandwidth for PCIe lanes and what not.


Nor am I. I can't afford 3D glasses.


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Nova wrote:
Dammit, I went there hoping they screwed up and didn't know what they were talking about and now we would finally have 3D cpu's. Seems like the only advantage here is power consumption, which would benefit GPU's far more than CPU's. I also wonder what the cost would be of making 3D transistors compared to the 2D ones.


The 3D transisters are far more power efficient since their is less current leakage. This will result in lower power consumption, higher clocks, or some combination of both. It will also allow for more complex CPUs. Think of a transistor as a house in a city. Typically if you want to pack more in, the city limits must expand (bigger die size). This technology finally allows houses to have a second story. Building up instead of out will give Intel a huge advantage over the coming years.

In one of the articles I read, it said that a 3D transistor costs only 1-3% more than a 2D transistor easily justifying the increase in performance.

This is good news for all of us.

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Avid6eek wrote:
The 3D transisters are far more power efficient since their is less current leakage. This will result in lower power consumption, higher clocks, or some combination of both. It will also allow for more complex CPUs.


Cost, space, heat, etc. I wasn't saying they weren't more power efficient, but they might store heat better which is a problem. We don't know enough about them yet to make any arguments in either direction, all we know is they're more efficient.

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Think of a transistor as a house in a city. Typically if you want to pack more in, the city limits must expand (bigger die size). This technology finally allows houses to have a second story. Building up instead of out will give Intel a huge advantage over the coming years.


No reason for us not to be able to have 3D CPU's with 2D transistors (technically motherboards/videocards are 3D). I've always thought the reasons we haven't made them was because of complexity/current methods of printing CPU's and mainly heat.

Assuming the transistor itself doesn't store heat better than a 2D transistor, the only real benefit besides efficiency I could see is packing more transistors into a smaller die.

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Just watched/read some articles about this and ASSUMING they didn't dumb them down for people (although I would still want to see the true design for a 3D transistor), I think in a best case scenario we'll see higher transistor counts and higher clock rates, but 3D CPU's are still a long way away.

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