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Delid or not to Delid 

should i delid my 3770K?
Hells yeah!... ballz deep. go big or go home! 83%  83%  [ 5 ]
Too risky, not worth it. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Can't vote. Don't know what it is. 17%  17%  [ 1 ]
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Delid or not to Delid 
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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
a quick update. now with it delid-ed.

i was able to up the game to 4.9ghz and temp still stays very reasonable of 63c during X264, and 78c during Prime95 small FFT, 68c during OCCT stress test; all during this hot summer month of 85~93 weather.

as you can see there's a tiny bit of thermal headroom left still, however, i've discovered that i've hit my VRM limit. today during prime95 testing, i saw that my CPU frequency dipped back down to 3.5ghz every few mins, for a while i was confused that the temp was reasonable, but the speed was throttling itself down. then i discovered on OCN that apparently after a certain voltage output, the VRM itself throttles down due to overheating, even tho event view in HWinFO states that there's no thermal throttling, the CPU speed is being voltage throttled and as a result backing itself back down to 3.5ghz for a brief few seconds and back up to 4.9ghz again.

i believe this could be what Jeff was running into with his setup. i remember a while back he was saying his setup would throttle itself back down even tho temp stayed fine. i googled around OCN, it seems all ASrock, even Asus boards have similar experience. it all depends on the quality of the mobo i guess. for lower end Asrock Extreme4, that still uses D-pak, the max OC people can achieve without VRM throttling is like 4.4~4.6ghz. and higher end boards could reach higher before VRM starts to throttle. i guess i have hit mine. although i put my finger on the VRM heatsink, it's pretty damn warm, i wouldn't call it burning hot. bug i guess it is what it is.

having said all that, i am not too concern about it, since so far only Prim95 has been able to trigger the kind of load and thermal on the VRM.

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Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:01 pm
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I remember when 4.9ghz was only attainable by LN2.

I do miss the days of seeing you guys experiment with that stuff.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
update:
sure enough, i aimed a 120mm fan blowing directly on top of the VRM heatsink and the OC never throttled.

this makes me kinda mad. i feel like mobo manufacturer now a days are skimping on the quality of their cooling. my old P5E was plastered with copper heatsink and that thing would run so hot and so much voltage that it never crapped out once on me. now all you get is a few pieces of blue, green or whatever color heatsink with fancy logo and call it a day. it's not even real good heatsink if you look at them now a days, they're more for looks.

now i have to stick a 25mm fan and velcro it on top of the VRM heatsink to cool it. i feel like we're going backwards in time.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
BAM! wrote:
update:
sure enough, i aimed a 120mm fan blowing directly on top of the VRM heatsink and the OC never throttled.

this makes me kinda mad. i feel like mobo manufacturer now a days are skimping on the quality of their cooling. my old P5E was plastered with copper heatsink and that thing would run so hot and so much voltage that it never crapped out once on me. now all you get is a few pieces of blue, green or whatever color heatsink with fancy logo and call it a day. it's not even real good heatsink if you look at them now a days, they're more for looks.

now i have to stick a 25mm fan and velcro it on top of the VRM heatsink to cool it. i feel like we're going backwards in time.

without a doubt this is true. It seems companies these days are more focused on 'features' and 'cool designs' rather than quality. Case in point, during my recent rebuild with an asrock mobo, it flexed like there's no tomorrow especially when plugging in the 24pin. This summer I interned with a company and assembled some 2u IBM servers, the PCB on those boards are like triple the thickness of our consumer counter parts. Even my old 7800gt has a nice thick copper heatsink giving nice weight to it.

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apparently the problem is more rampant on the AMD mobo side. it seems AMD relies more heavily on quality VRM phases and VRM design. through my search, i found a great deal of people who go out of their way cherry picking mobos just for their VRM thermal capacity. some even duct tape fans all over the VRM heatsinsk to cool it just to achieve average overclocks. it seems MSI is the worst in terms of VRM quality. lots of dead mobobs out there made by MSI due to lack of VRM phase, VRM cooling, and low quality VRM chips.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
If you buy a proper LGA2011 chip, you don't need to go through all this effort ;)

Haswell-E + DDR4 is looking pretty drool worthy!

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
jdrom wrote:
If you buy a proper LGA2011 chip, you don't need to go through all this effort ;)

Haswell-E + DDR4 is looking pretty drool worthy!


dude your sandy e mobo is doing exactly same thing on your VRM. overheating.

plus it wouldn't be a modding community without some fun of cracking open a chip. it just makes it that much more special and memorable.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
I noticed my chipset fan wasn't even enabled for the longest time, though I still don't believe it was VRM temps. I still had all the power saving features enabled too, C1E, SpeedStep, Turbo, etc. So probably a combination of things.

4.2GHz x 12 threads is more than sufficient for my gaming needs anyhow, and it gets me the joy of silence. My issue is, and always will be, GPU horsepower. I should of bought another GTX 690 at the time, but now I'll have to wait it out for the GTX 880 (or whatever it may be called) to be released. I'm hoping SLI GTX 880's will drive a 4K monitor without a hitch.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
i might be selling my 27 inch apple Cinema display and get myself a LG34UM95. Greg seems to love his. although i'll be sacrificing a bit of CIE RGB coverage, but i am really looking forward to the 3440x1440 ratio. which means i'll be looking at getting the next gen Radeon when it releases probably next year to drive the resolution.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
Yeah, still on the fence with UltraWide monitors. Maybe one with 2160 vertical pixels. 1440 seems too much of a side-step.

I'm thinking maybe G-SYNC instead as well, but those are typically TN-based which wouldn't do.

And yes Steve, the GTX 880 is expected to be announced in September...can't wait!

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i've been looking for a buyer to sell my apple cinema display. i think i've found someone from work, who does design a lot and will appreciate the apple monitor. i am waiting for the price on the 34um95 to drop so i can do a quick flip.

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heh, one of my 4 monitors finally died on my. I may just shop for 4 new matching monitors now that I just got my promotion and 63% raise

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That's quite a raise you got there. Congrats.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
Comixion wrote:
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heh, one of my 4 monitors finally died on my. I may just shop for 4 new matching monitors now that I just got my promotion and 63% raise

63%?? ..i hate you

Minimum wage is $11 in Ontario, so 63% on that would only be $18 ;)

I'm sure he makes far more than that, but just sayin'

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
it came out to be just shy of an extra 25k a year, so yea, much more than 18 an hour. There's an oncall rotation as well which add's some too, for afterhours emergencies like say if our cloud environment goes down or a clients portal goes down on them. That big interweb fiasco that took down Ebay for a lot of people and some other big sites had a really bad impact on us a few weeks back. I was up at 3:30-4:00 logging into our datacenter to find out nothing was wrong on our end.

There's plenty of overtime too. I booked 13 hours of overtime on my last pay.

with any luck, I'll be looking at buying a house in the next 2 years and living a little more comfortably. Either way, I'm very pleased. Ecstatic might be a better word, but I'm not sure it cuts the mustard.

I'm told its the single largest raise percentage wise the company has ever signed off on.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
Congrats, but it sounds like you actually have to work ;)

Now you need to figure out how to keep (or increase) your salary and do less work!

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happy for ya!. congrats!. you're on the right track.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
jdrom wrote:
Congrats, but it sounds like you actually have to work ;)

Now you need to figure out how to keep (or increase) your salary and do less work!

LOL. yes, I do have to work. But I do like my work, and I learn new tricks every day, such as using .NET Framework profilers for helping to narrow down application issues, or using other debugging tools and also my SQL skills are getting pretty slick. All kinds of stuff that I never would have even touched before.

And the stuff I have access to in our datacenter is admittedly just a little intimidating, but oh my, our SQL servers are massive, and then the servers in our cloud environment are pretty massive too. As much as I hate it some days, I very much enjoy the variety of stuff I work with since it always keeps things interesting.

oh, and I've got a lot of AVG swag, nice hooded sweater, Nike golf shirt, really nice backback for the laptop they provisioned. It's nice feel like one matters anyway.

But anyway, keep your eyes peeled for what I'm building next :D

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Yes, hurry up and buy Haswell-E and tri-SLI GTX 980's!

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nah, I've got a gaming system that does me just fine. I'm working on filling something up with 24 hotswap bays

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