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Delid or not to Delid 

should i delid my 3770K?
Hells yeah!... ballz deep. go big or go home! 83%  83%  [ 5 ]
Too risky, not worth it. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Can't vote. Don't know what it is. 17%  17%  [ 1 ]
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Delid or not to Delid 
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Post Delid or not to Delid
so i've been really itching to delid my 3770K. i've read online that there're two methods. most seem to lean towards the Vice method, which involves clamping the chip with a vice, and hammering the edge with a piece of pine wood and hammer. i know it sounds insane. :lol: but it seems to have a higher success rate than the razor method.

recently i found that disabling Hyperthreading my 4.8ghz 3770K @ 1.38vcore would drop 10c degrees in prime95 small FFT. it went from peak tempearture of 90c degree on one core to 80c degree when i disabled hyper threading. note that we're talking about "peak" temperature spike. 90c degree peak temperature in Prime seems to be a pretty common average stress test temperature for the 3770K.

just for the record, for everyday use, X264 doesn't go pass 70c degrees. and it really is about the most stressful thing i do on a daily basis (video encoding).

so part of me really want to take the plunge, and looking forward to that massive 15~20c degree drop, and possibly take me up to 4.9ghz. but another part of me says it's too risky, and on top of that, 4.8ghz at 70c degree real world temp is more than enough.

i am torn. :think:

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Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:25 pm
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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
Avid used to do this with his CPU's. I believe he used to do it by going around it with a razor blade. But I can't recall for sure.

I say go for it. But I'm the kind of person that goes "If it's not broke, improve it. If it's still not broke, YAY!". It's also not my money.

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Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:38 pm
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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
lol.... i was afraid you were going to say that.

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Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:39 pm
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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
here's a video for you Steve.. looks simple enough. but shit can go wrong.


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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
lol... agree on the biscuit and gravy.

the issue surrounds the intel's usage of Thermal interface material between the die and the heat spreader. the die used to be soldered onto the heatspreader. but starting with Ivy Bridge, they went away with soldering, and did it cheap by replacing it with a thermal interface material. and to make matters worse, due to this design, there is now a considerable spacing gap between the die and the heatspreader.

enthusiasts found this out, and experimented with removing the heatspreader and replacing the stock TIM with a better paste and saw a massive 15~20c degree drop in load temperature, which in turn enabled more overclocking headroom.

my current custom water loop setup is inherently limited by the TIM underneath the heat spreader. the block and radiator can't extract anymore heat faster than what the underlying paste can transfer, so i am itching to do it.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
I voted for the go big or go home option. Why not? You can always buy another one. And we get to see the process unfold. Its all win for me.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
Comixion wrote:
Aha...I see.
But why would they cut corners in this manner on such a delicate product?
Could this be intentionally? Make them faulter sooner? And as a result make you purchase more and sooner?
You get too many suits sitting around a table talking and with multiple ideas...well let me just say...you never know.
Been there done that.


A few cents saved here and there is a lot of money when you are making millions and millions of something.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
it's both.

they cut corners to save a buck, while still charging you the same amount of money.

but at the same time, it affects the average users very little. at stock frequencies, there's no difference in temperature, only as the frequency increases it starts to take off exponentially. i wouldn't give a rat's ass if the chip i bought was just a none "K" version and operating at the stock frequency, however, for the enthusiast "K" model, that's the whole point. you're buying the unlocked K model for what reason other than pushing the limit.

it all boils down to competition and profit. there's very little competition for intel in the market place right now. they CPU price hold high. notice even previous generation CPU hold the same price even until now. i miss the good old days when Intel and AMD were neck to neck. you could easily pick up a previous gen chip for half the price or less, all you gotta do was wait 6 months. now even 2 years after, Sandy bridge is still the same price. because no one is giving intel run for their money. all we get now is some shady peanut butter in jelly sandwiched between the die and the heatspreader. :lol:

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
I vote delid, it's only a quad core, if it was a hex core I'd think over it more

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
stlouis1 wrote:
I vote delid, it's only a quad core, if it was a hex core I'd think over it more

Let's post an elitist comment:

Thankfully LGA2011 has been exempt from these cost-cutting measures. It's an enthusiasts platform by design. LGA1155/50 has always been a mainstream platform. Not really sure why people were in such a uproar when they found out about this issue with the IHS and TIM.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
^ LOL, just wait until AMD gets on top again, I'd like to see what you say then. Though I don't see that day coming anytime soon.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
Hasn't AMD basically said they're no longer competing in the high-end/enthusiast marketplace? They're focused on the low-end mass-production chips where they hope to beat Intel on price to performance ratio. Makes sense because really very few people need a quad-core or higher CPU. Majority of people seem perfectly content using an iPad as their primary computing device.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
jdrom wrote:
Hasn't AMD basically said they're no longer competing in the high-end/enthusiast marketplace? They're focused on the low-end mass-production chips where they hope to beat Intel on price to performance ratio. Makes sense because really very few people need a quad-core or higher CPU. Majority of people seem perfectly content using an iPad as their primary computing device.

Pretty much. Last year I build my sister a computer based on the a8 apu. Its plenty powerful for facebook, youtube and work processing. I do miss the intense competition between Intel and AMD though. Made for for excellent boy fan action and lower prices for the rest of us.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
if it weren't for the power bills, would totally get back into Folding action.

i downloaded their latest client the other day just to see. wow.. what an improvement over the old. now GPU support is fully automated for both OpenCL and Cuda. no tinkering involved. so now it fully combines the CPU+GPU resources.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
Comixion wrote:
stlouis1 wrote:
^ LOL, just wait until AMD gets on top again, I'd like to see what you say then. Though I don't see that day coming anytime soon.

When pigs fly

Reminds me of this.
http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi2613444633

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
Bam, have you seen this article?
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.ph ... tcount=570
check out the conclusion he made.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
dog2525 wrote:
Bam, have you seen this article?
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.ph ... tcount=570
check out the conclusion he made.


thanks for the link. it's good to see someone who is willing to go through all this trouble.

i also mentioned in my op that the gap was also an issue, but it's good to hear someone prooves it that the TIM is not the main culpirt, but rather the usage of TIM that resulted in gluing the HIS onto the PCB.

i dont know. i guess if i get really bored i'll delid it.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
here i did it.

i can't believe what the results were.

here are some pictures. if you're wondering, i used the hammer and vise method. my god i thought i was doing it wrong. no matter how hard i hammer that thing and it just didn't want to come off. so much so that the wood block i used had indentation marks all over the coners. i really thought i was doing it wrong until i rotated the wood block 90 degrees and used the shorter side of it and gave it a REAL HARD hammer, and boom went flying the chip. i used a laundry basket with towel on top to catch the chip.

here are the pictures of it with the IHS off.

as you can see, i couldn't believe how thick the rubber adheasive on the outter ridge of between the actual chip and the IHS. that stuff is so thick that you can tell from the TIM mark that it's not making a complete surface contact between the die and the IHS. speaking of which, i am inclined to think the TIM used under the IHS is the same type of wax based material found under all the stock intel heatsink.

with the rubber adhesive together with the sub standard TIM, no wonder these chips reach temps of 100c before they see full potential.

i took real care of scraping off the rubber adhesive with my starbucks card, and on with applying the Coolabs Liquid Pro. i have to say, this stuff is the hardest TIM i've ever had to work with in my life. the Liquid Pro has almost the type of mercury texture. it was easy to apply directly onto the die, and spread, however, when i tried to apply to the underside of the IHS, this shit wouldn't stick, and instead formed the little ball drops all over the IHS. so you think, ok, fuck it, clean it up with paper towel. NO. it gets worse the more you try to wipe it. you ever get that feeling no matter how hard you try at something, and the more you try, the worse it gets!.. well trying to get rid of this stuff is exactly like that. the more i wiped it, the more it spreaded all over the IHS, now this shit was on the top, bottom, and sides of my IHS. i even tried to wash the IHS in the sink with water and the silver droplets just wouldn't come off. that's when i tried the dish washing sponge thingy that came with the liquid pro package, voila, it took it off. be warned, this stuff is not for the faint of heart users. i highly recommend Liquid "ultra" instead of Liquid "Pro". Ultra is a lot easier to apply, and has a more similar texture as most typical TIM.

after taking real good care of no Liquid Pro is left on the TIM anywhere. i re-assured the Liquid Pro is instead applied correctly onto the die. you really don't need a lot. and i mean not even a rice grain. something like a sesame seed size will spread all across the die. i can't imagine what i else i can use this stuff for. definitely would not recommend using this directly under the heatsink or waterblock, since it's basically full silver hence conductive.

i covered the IHS on top of the die and put it back in the socket and locked it in. and did my dance and prayed that everything would go well. fired up the comp.

BOOM!... no, not Ka Boom... but boom, it dropped my Prime95 small FFT peak temp by a whopping 20+ degrees. before, in the winter time, when i tested it with Prime95 small FFT AVX, the temp would surge to high 89 or low 90's. now it's hovering at 72 degrees C. and in Large FFT, it cruises at a 59 degrees. ALL at 4.8ghz! 1.38vcore. and mind you, the previous small FFT temp was obtained during winter, i dare not to fire up small FFT during summer time, due to the danger of failure.

onto the next test, i regularly use ripbot264 for MKV conversion for Blu-ray files. and it typically peaks at 71~72c, and now it cruises at 61c.

what a fun project. and definitely the craziest thing i've done to my computer bar none. taking a hammer to the chip that is. but in the end, i got 20+ temp improvement. (perhaps 25 degrees consider in the winter time the temps will be even lower).


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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
BAM!, I just got a 3570K and I need to do the delid as well. Idle temps are way hotter than the 2500k I had previously. And this is on stock settings as well.

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Post Re: Delid or not to Delid
i'd say if you're adventurous enough, definitely give it a try. but get the Liquid Ultra instead.

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